1.
John Carpenter II
Group 18 - Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - 2 descendants tested as of July 2021.
PARENTS:
Father is John, but which one?
See Also:
http://records.ancestry.com/John_Carpenter_records.ashx?pid=35241123
John Carpenter (1806 - Unknown)
Be aware of the word "Potential" on photos and documents on the above web page.
Based on the 1790 to 1840 US Census - This seems to indicate that John Carpenter-20563 is not the right John Carpenter as father. And Y-DNA genetics prove this. JC-20563 is from the Group 3 (Rehoboth, MA) Carpenter line of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project.
From 1790 to 1810 there is one John or Jonah in 1810. From 1820 to 1840 the pattern is two Johns.
The 1830 makes sense because John Carpenter-20567 is listed as having his first child in 1830 and 3 children – 2 males and 1 female by 1840.
The 1820 John in Dover is puzzling unless he is single about age 17. NOPE 1776/1794
CENSUS: 1790 US Census
1790 United States Federal Census
Name: John Carpenter
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Brattleboro, Windham, Vermont
Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 2 --------> b. abt 1776/1790
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 1 -------> b. abt 1750/1755? (5 children)
Free White Persons - Females: 4
Number of Household Members: 7
Source Citation: Year: 1790; Census Place: Brattleboro, Windham, Vermont; Series: M637; Roll: 12; Page: 106; Image: 106; Family History Library Film: 0568152.
CENSUS: 1800 US Census
1800 United States Federal Census
Name: John Carpenter
Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Brattleboro, Windham, Vermont
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1 ----------> b. 1789/1800
Free White Persons - Males -10 thru 15: 1 ----------> b. 1785/1790
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1 ----------> b. 1755 or less
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 3
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 6
Number of Household Members Over 25: 2
Number of Household Members: 8
Source Citation: Year: 1800; Census Place: Brattleboro, Windham, Vermont; Roll: 52; Page: 503; Image: 490; Family History Library Film: 218689.
CENSUS: 1800 US Census - of a John B. just for info
1800 United States Federal Census
Name: John B Carpenter
Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Guilford, Windham, Vermont
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 4 ----------> b. 1789/1800
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1 ----------> b. 1756/1776
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 7
Number of Household Members Over 25: 2
Number of Household Members: 9
Source Citation: Year: 1800; Census Place: Guilford, Windham, Vermont; Roll: 52; Page: 531; Image: 518; Family History Library Film: 218689.
CENSUS: 1810 US Census
No Johns in Windham listed, but ... two lines below Jonah is a John Carpenter!!!
The page is ripped but it clearly reads as John. Near the top of the page is David Carpenter, then Benajah, then Jonah followed by Joh then finally a Stephen. See image: RIN 20567 John Carpenter 1810.jpg
name: The following is for John Carpenter that is not listed in the AI or FS indexes.
1810 United States Federal Census
1 - 1 - 1 1 - - 1 50 140 - If I did this right it would be like:
Name: John Carpenter
Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Brattleboro, Windham, Vermont
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1 ----------> b. 1800/1810
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15:
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1 ----------> b. 1785/1794
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44 :
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over : 1 ----------> b. 1765 or less
Bind here 50 140
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25:
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44:
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1
Number of Household Members Under 16:
Number of Household Members Over 25:
Number of Household Members:
Source Citation: Year: 1810; Census Place: Brattleboro, Windham, Vermont; Roll: 65; Page: 239; Image: 0218669; Family History Library Film: 00166.
NOTE: 14 Carpenters listed as head of house in Windham, VT in the 1810 census.
CENSUS: 1820 US Census
1820 United States Federal Census
Name: John Carpenter Jr.
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Brattleboro, Windham, Vermont
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1 ----------> b. 1776/1794
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1 ----------> b. 1775 or earlier
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 3
Free White Persons - Under 16: 1
Free White Persons - Over 25: 3
Total Free White Persons: 5
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 5
Source Citation: 1820 U S Census; Census Place: Brattleboro, Windham, Vermont; Page: 108; NARA Roll: M33_128; Image: 71.
1820 United States Federal Census
Name: John Carpenter II
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Dover, Windham, Vermont
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 2 ----------> b. 1810/1820
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 1 ----------> b. 1805/1810
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1 ----------> b. 1776/1794
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 3
Free White Persons - Under 16: 4
Free White Persons - Over 25: 3
Total Free White Persons: 8
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 8
Source Citation: 1820 U S Census; Census Place: Dover, Windham, Vermont; Page: 181; NARA Roll: M33_128; Image: 107.
CENSUS: 1830 US Census
1830 United States Federal Census
Name: John Carpenter II
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Guilford, Windham, Vermont
Free White Persons - Males - Under 5: 1 ----------> b. 1825/1830
Free White Persons - Males - 20 thru 29: 1 ----------> b. 1801/1810
Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 1
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 2
Total Free White Persons: 3
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 3
Source Citation: 1830 US Census; Census Place: Guilford, Windham, Vermont; Page: 28; NARA Series: M19; Roll Number: 186; Family History Film: 0027452.
1830 United States Federal Census
Name: John Carpenter Junior
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Guilford, Windham, Vermont
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14: 1 ----------> b. 1816/1820
Free White Persons - Males - 30 thru 39: 1 ----------> b. 1791/1800
Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 30 thru 39: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 2
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 2
Total Free White Persons: 4
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 4
Source Citation: 1830 US Census; Census Place: Guilford, Windham, Vermont; Page: 27; NARA Series: M19; Roll Number: 186; Family History Film: 0027452.
CENSUS: 1840 US Census
1840 United States Federal Census
Name: John Carpenter
Home in 1840 (City, County, State): Guilford, Windham, Vermont
Free White Persons - Males - Under 5: 1 ----------> b. 1835/1840
Free White Persons - Males - 5 thru 9: 1 ----------> b. 1831/1835
Free White Persons - Males - 30 thru 39: 1 ----------> b. 1801/1810
Free White Persons - Females - Under 5: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 3
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 1
Total Free White Persons: 4
Total All Persons - Free White, Free Colored, Slaves: 4
Source Citation: Year: 1840; Census Place: Guilford, Windham, Vermont; Roll: 547; Page: 45; Image: 95; Family History Library Film: 0027442.
1840 United States Federal Census
Name: John Carpenter
Home in 1840 (City, County, State): Guilford, Windham, Vermont
Free White Persons - Males - 40 thru 49: 1 ----------> b. 1791/1800
Free White Persons - Females - 40 thru 49: 1
Persons Employed in Agriculture: 1
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 2
Total Free White Persons: 2
Total All Persons - Free White, Free Colored, Slaves: 2
Source Citation: Year: 1840; Census Place: Guilford, Windham, Vermont; Roll: 547; Page: 44; Image: 93; Family History Library Film: 0027442.
CENSUS: 1840 Vermont Census - Pensioner List - father?
Vermont Census, 1790-1860
Name: John Carpenter
State: VT
County: Windham County
Township: Age 84 Brattleboro ----------> b. abt 1756
Year: 1840
Page: 067
Database: VT 1840 Pensioners List
Source Information:
Jackson, Ronald V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. Vermont Census, 1790-1860 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 1999.
Original data: Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name John Carpenter
Sex Male
Age 46 years
Birth Year (Estimated) 1804
Birthplace Vermont
Race White
Event Type Census
Event Date 1850
Event Place Guilford, Windham, Vermont, United States
Household Identifier 91
House Number 89
Line Number 25
Schedule Type 1850 Population
Affiliate Publication Number M432
Affiliate Name The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Carpenter M 46 years Vermont
Lois Carpenter F 42 years Vermont
Asa H Carpenter M 14 years Vermont
Lois M Carpenter F 11 years Vermont
Mary J Carpenter F 9 years Vermont
Catherine Carpenter F 7 years Vermont
John D Carpenter M 5 years Vermont
Nancy M Carpenter F 1 years Vermont
Digital Folder Number: 004206192
Microfilm Number: 444928
Image Number: 132
Indexing Batch: N00992-5
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1850", database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MC2N-7TQ : Wed Oct 04 17:54:54 UTC 2023), Entry for John Carpenter and Lois Carpenter, 1850.
****** Start of Notes ******
Number 8628 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 802.
Place of birth unknown. He died when a young man.
NOTE: It is SPECULATION that this John Carpenter (son of John & Lucena (Thompson) Carpenter) who married Lois Grover. But this is not proved. See next. See 1860 Census data below.
Per Pam White: Mother was "Anna" and father was "John Carpenter."
BIRTH: Birth abt 1802 but 27 Mar 1804 claimed by a "confirmed source" NOTE Should be "unconfirmed source" - source not given, so it is speculative. See:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=peblood&id=I4011
He was born 1800 by the 1860 census, 1803 by the 1870 census, and 1804 b y the 1850 Census. An confirmed source claimed he was born 27 mar 1804 i n (Dover?) VT. Do not confuse with Deacon John Carpenter (1793-1880) w ho married Polly Warren and died in Guilford, VT.
NOTE: Later he referenced:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=gegenealogy&id=I15460
DEATH: 1 Oct 1880 but his wife is listed as a widow when she died on 17 Mar 1880.
If 1/10/1880 was used as death date and read wrong, then he died on 10 Jan 1880. This is the reasonable explanation, but needs to be confirmed. But it is wrong.
WARNING: John Carpenter-8577, a Deacon, was born on 26 Feb 1793. He died on 1 Oct 1880. IE Not for this John Carpenter.
The following data supplied by Marque Carpenter on 29 Dec 2003.
Source: 1850 US Census Vermont, Windham County, Town of Guilford, Roll M432_929, John Carpenter living with wife Lois (age 42) and children. His age is 46 thus being born Abt. 1803 in Madison, Vermont. Occupation: 1850, farmer.
John and Lois do not appear in the 1860 Census for Guilford.
MARRIAGE: . Marriage was found in Guilford Center town hall book "D" page 252
Married by J.P. Joseph Boydson to Lois Grover.
Record found in Town of Gulliford, Vermont BRD P.252
NOTE: Vermont has a town called Madison Brook in Essex county. This is near the NH border west of Route 3.
From: "Peter Blood"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:34 AM
Subject: [CARPENTER] John CARPENTER of Guilford, VT
I am researching the CARPENTER family of Guilford, VT. Can you answer the following questions on John CARPENTER's family? I will eventually want to prove this information using published sources and may ask you about yours.
a.. When was he born (about 1790 to 1805)?
b.. When did he die?
c.. Did he marry Lois GROVER January 09, 1827 in Guilford , Windham, VT?
d.. Was she born LOIS GROVER 13 Sep 1808 in Guilford, Windham , VT? Did she die . 17 Mar 1880 in Halifax ,Windham, VT? Was she the daughter of Elijah GROVER and Lydia GALLUP?
e.. Was there a daughter Lydia CARPENTER born to John CARPENTER and Lois GROVER 29 Jun 1853 in Guilford,Windham,VT? If so, her father John would have been in his 50s or 60s.
f.. Did daughter Lydia die in 1867 (age 14) or did she marry Daniel CARY in 1868, move to MA and die after 1920?
g.. Who were John CARPENTER's parents?
Peter Blood
CENSUS: 1860
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 8:48 PM
Subject: Draper Carpenter
In 1860 Census of Woodford, Bennington ,VT there is a Draper Carpenter 60 y/o male, with Olin Carpenter 58 y/o female ,Elijah Carpenter 30 y/o male, Draper Carpenter 16 y/o male, Jennette Carenter 2 other children 11 & 5 ? surname Lydia Draoper to young to be John Draper Carpenter formerly of Guilford VT.
John in NH
Reply ...
Hello John L.,
You wrote:
"In 1860 Census of Woodford, Bennington ,VT there is a Draper Carpenter 60 y/o male, with Olin Carpenter 58 y/o female ,Elijah Carpenter 30 y/o male, Draper Carpenter 16 y/o male, Jennette Carenter 2 other children 11 & 5 ? surname Lydia Draoper to young to be John Draper Carpenter formerly of Guilford VT.
John in NH.
The use of middle names seems fairly consistent in this family.
Olin appears to be the brother of John "Draper" Carpenter b. abt 1797/1804. The 1860 census indicates age 60 which means born about 1800.
Lewis Elijah Carpenter b. 1830 is consistent with 1860 Census age 30 or born abt 1830.
John Draper Carpenter-24175 was born 12 Mar 1842/1844/1845 is consistent with the age 16 in the 1860 census this works out to be born abt 1844.
Mary Jeanett Carpenter-24173 was born in 1841 - you did not give the age from the 1860 census. Age 18 or 19 would be consistent.
Lydia Lorne (Lydie) Carpenter-24992 was born about 4 Jul 1852 - you did not give age from the 1860 census. Age 7 or 8 would be consistent.
Other children not mentioned except "other children 11 & 5?" Nancy M. Carpenter-24176 was born in 1849 and would be about age 11 in 1860. The child age 5 or born about 1855 is missing.
All in all it is fairly consistent with this family.
Good find!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
John L. Carpenter then sent ....
CENSUS: 1860 US Census.
Name Age in 1860 Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Race Home in 1860
(City,County,State) Gender
John Carpenter 60 1799 Vermont Woodford, Bennington, Vermont Male
Olin Carpenter 58 1801 Vermont Woodford, Bennington, Vermont Female
Eligah Carpenter 30 1829 Vermont Woodford, Bennington, Vermont Male
Draper Carpenter 16 1843 Vermont Woodford, Bennington, Vermont Male
Jennett Carpenter 18 1841 Vermont Woodford, Bennington, Vermont Female
Sydia Lydia 11 1848 Vermont Woodford, Bennington, Vermont Female
Charles Lydia 5 1854 Vermont Woodford, Bennington, Vermont Male
Roll 653- 1316 page 1114
1860 census Woodford,Bennington,Vermont
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Woodford, Bennington, Vermont; Roll: M653_1316; Page: 1114; Image: 509; Family History Library Film: 805316.
Pam White < pamelacw@rochester.rr.com > supplied ...
Notes for John Carpenter
more likely his father was John who died 2/1/1843
also see second listing as father John born 5/27/1790
1870 US Census Winhall, Bennington, VT (see below)
John age 67
Louis (Lois) S. age 63
PAM ADDED THE FOLLOWING:
Notes for John Carpenter
more likely his father was John who died 2/1/1843
many possiblities who could be the father of John ca 1804
1850 US Census Guilford, Windham, VT - See image: RIN 20567 John Carpenter 1850.jpg
John's value of real estate owned $100
note: looks like children listed by middle names
John age 46 everyone in household born VT
Lois age 43
Asa K. age 16
Lois M.age 11
Mary J. age 9
Catherine age 7
John D. age 5
Nancy M.age 1
SEE ALSO:
Name: John Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1850
Event Place: Guilford, Windham, Vermont, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 46
Race: White
Race (Original):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1804
Birthplace: Vermont
Household ID: 91
House Number: 89
Line Number: 24
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 929
GS Film Number: 444928
Digital Folder Number: 004206192
Image Number: 00132
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John Carpenter M 46 Vermont
Lois Carpenter F 42 Vermont
Asa H Carpenter M 14 Vermont
Lois M Carpenter F 11 Vermont
Mary J Carpenter F 9 Vermont
Catherine Carpenter F 7 Vermont
John D Carpenter M 5 Vermont
Nancy M Carpenter F 1 Vermont
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MC2N-7TQ : accessed 3 June 2016), John Carpenter, Guilford, Windham, Vermont, United States; citing family 91, NARA microfilm publication M432 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
1860 US Census Woodford, Bennington, VT - See image: RIN 20567 John Carpenter 1860.jpg
AND RIN 20567 John Carpenter 1860b.jpg
John's value of acreage owed $200 property $
John age 60
Olive age 58
Elijah age 30
Draper age 16
Jenette age 18
Lydia age 11
Charles age 5 (possibly the grandchild)
why is wife listed as Olive?
there was a John and Olive in 1850 in Marshfield, VT with an Olive the right age but different age for her husband John - could my John and Lois be somewhere else and the children staying with relatives????
1870 US Census Winhall, Bennington, VT - See image: RIN 20567 John Carpenter 1870.jpg
Name: John Carpenter
Birth Year: abt 1803
Age in 1870: 67
Birthplace: Vermont
Home in 1870: Winhall, Bennington, Vermont
Race: White
Gender: Male
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members: Name Age
John Carpenter 67
Louis L Carpenter 63
Charles Newell 14
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Winhall, Bennington, Vermont; Roll: M593_1615; Page: 592A; Image: 555; Family History Library Film: 553114.
EMAIL:
From: Peter Blood mailto:peterblood3213@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:27 AM
To: johnrcarpenter@cox.net mailto:johnrcarpenter@cox.net>
Subject: John CARPENTER 1803
John,
How have you been? Have you ever identified the parents of John CARPENTER of Vermont who married Lois GROVER?
I saw a military record for a John CARPENTER who reenlisted 17 Sep 1832 age 28 in Boston. he was born in Danville, Caledonia, VT. That would be a 1804 birthyear. Do you know this guy?
I didn't even realize that there was a standing army in 1832. What was going on then?
Peter Blood
Urbana, MD
EMAIL: via Carpenter Digest, Vol 6, Issue 22
Name: John Carpenter ---------------------------------------- Birth: ca 1803/1804 Death: after 7/30/1870 and before Mar 17, 1880 Father: name unknown Carpenter Marriage: 7 Jan 1827 Guilford, VT by J.P. Joseph Boydson Town of Guilford, VT BRD P. 252 book "D" ---------------------------------------- Spouse: Lois (Louis) L. Grover ----------------------------------------Birth: 13 Sep 1808 Guilford, Winham, VT per age 72y 6mo 4days at death Death: 17 Mar 1880 Halifax, Winham, VT per Halifax Town Records W Halifax Book 2 page 12 Father: Elijah Grover (~1780-~1845) Mother: Lydia Gallop (1771-1835) Children: ---------------------------------------- 1 M: Lewis Elijah Carpenter Birth: 1830 Leydon, MA Death: 1 Oct 1884 as stated on widow's application for accrued pension Spouse: Sarah A. Shepardson Spouse: Charlotte M. Wood Marriage: 2 Feb 1869 Manchester, VT attested by R. S. Cushman, Minister ---------------------------------------- 2 M: Henry Asa Carpenter Birth: 1836 VT - Winhall Town Clerk says birth with no year stated listed in her index book - no other details ---------------------------------------- 3 F: Lois M. Carpenter Birth: 1839 VT Spouse: Dunnican ---------------------------------------- 4 F: Mary Jeanette Carpenter Birth: 19 May 1841 VT Death: 3 Aug 1899 Marlboro, VT book4 pg3 died as a married woman age 58y 2mo 15d Spouse: Dunican Dunakin ---------------------------------------- 5 M: John Draper Carpenter Birth: 12 Mar 1842 Guilford, VT - death cert lists Halifax, VT Death: 22 Nov 1916 Bennington,Bennington, VT 3:30am veterans home age 74y 8m 10 d Spouse: Martha Ann Dunican Dunakin Marriage: 11 Jul 1865 Guilford, VT by Rev. Ethan Allen VT VR # P-1245 Spouse: Caroline (Carrie) Rosabelle (Rosevelt) Harvey Marriage: 11 Apr 1892 Hoosick, NY ---------------------------------------- 6 F: Catherine Janet Jenette Catherine Carpenter Birth: 25 Feb 1843 VT Death: 23 Sep 1911 Nelson, Tioga, PA at her daughter Mrs. William Chilson's home. Spouse: George Bracey Marriage: 26 Jun 1861 Searsburg, VT Spouse: Daniel Freeman Bump Marriage: 25 Dec 1863 Westfield, Tioga, PA ---------------------------------------- 7 F: Nancy M. Carpenter Birth: 1849 VT Death: bef 1860 ---------------------------------------- 8 F: Lydia Lorne Carpenter Birth: 4 Jun 1853 Guilford, Winham, VT Death: 2 Feb 1917 Colraine, Franklin, MA 64Y 6M 29D Primary lateral schlerosis of spinal cord Spouse: Daniel Carey Marriage: 22 Apr 1868 Guilford, Windham, VTaccording to one source the Vermont Vital Records Index to 1870 shows married 4/6/1868 Notes for John Carpenter DNA has not yet given us John b. ca 1804 parentage needed are more Carpenters to take DNA tests no proof of this but I have heard others mention a possible sister of John ca 1804 to be a Lydia 1830 US Census Guilford, Windham, VT John Carpenter (possibly says Junior) 20-30 son under 5 wife 20-30 1840 US Census Guilford, Windham, VT Carpenter, John b. between 1800-1810 lists 1 male <5 one male and 1 male 5 - 10 1 female <5 list no other female ?? where is Lois 1850 US Census Guilford, Windham, VT John's value of real estate owned $100 yet I found no record of him owning property in Guilford John age 46 everyone in household born VT Lois age 43 Asa K. age 16 Lois M.age 11 Mary J. age 9 Catherine age 7 John D. age 5 Nancy M.age 1 1860 US Census Woodford, Bennington, VT John's value of acreage owed $200 property $ John age 60 Olive age 58 Elijah age 30 Draper age 16 Jenette age 18 Lydia age 11 Charles age 5 (possibly the grandchild) why is wife listed as Olive? there was a John and Olive in 1850 in Marshfield, VT with an Olive the right age but different age for her husband John - could my John and Lois be somewhere else and the children staying with relatives???? 1870 US Census Winhall, Bennington, VT taken on 7/30/1870 John age 67 Louis (Lois) S. age 63 Charles Newell age 14 (again is this a grandson?) 1880 March 17, 1880 Lois' death records show her as a widow making John's death between 7/30/1870 and March 17, 1880. Notes for Lois (Louis) L. Grover I have a copy of a certified copy Lois' death record from Readsboro, VT. Although on 7/14/08 when I spoke with Annette the Readsboro Town Clerk she says that there is no record of her death there??? It states Lois Carpenter age 72y 6 mo 22 days a widow was born in Guilford and her father was Elijha Grover and her mother was Lydia. She died 3/17/1880 from "Engsifslos" (sp) in the town of Readsboro signed J. L. Harrington town clerk. U.S. Federal Census Mortality Schedules, 1850-1885 Name: Mrs Lois Carpenter Gender: Female Race: White Marital Status: MarriedEstimated Birth Year: abt 1808 Age: 72 Month of Death: Mar Cause of Death: Trainatic Erysipelas Census Year: 1880 Census Location: (City, County, State) Guilford, Windham, Vermont Enumeration District: 228 Line: 13 In the book by Joel Grover, "Ancestors and Descendants of Thomas Grover, there is mention of the marriage of Elisha Grover, son of Ebenezer Grover of Montague, Mass. to Louise Carpenter on 15 Oct. 1829. I HAVE NOT CHECKED THIS OUT YET Pam Carpenter White
4.
Lois M. Carpenter
5.
Mary Jeanett"e" Carpenter
7.
Draper Carpenter
9.
Nancy M. Carpenter
11.
Charles Carpenter